yes, something had gone wrong with a patch i applied and it crashed the firmware and no software would even recognise the phone so i tried SEUS and it worked then i tried to patch the menu again and XS++ said phone not supported and i saw the CID wa 53 and i nearly cried ;) can't have an unmodded k800i.

Now with JDFlasher i customised my menu and removed opertor logo from the desktop and scroll bars from the menu ;)